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[Charley Trujillo] We couldn't
figure out why we were there.

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Do they have gold here?

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What do they have?

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You know, we couldn't
figure out why we were there.

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And still people don't...

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don't agree what the war was about.

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We didn't know the terrain.

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They always send us to new terrains.

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So we didn't know the terrain.

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I didn't know the terrain.

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Okay, that's also very bad
for us if you're on that side.

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We ran into the enemy
and we got in a firefight

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and it was pretty
intense there for a while.

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And then someone gave
me an M79 grenade launcher

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and I shot it down at the enemy.

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And then some other grenades
exploded as things going down.

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But when I shot that,
that grenade launcher,

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it hit... something hit
me too, the grenade.

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I don't know if it was that
grenade or another grenade.

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Boom. Oh, that hurt.

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Can you imagine somebody
putting an ice pick in your eye?

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Like, "Oh, shit."

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So I went down.

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And then I couldn't feel my body anymore.

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I was just thinking,

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and I was still religious at the time.

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I was a Catholic.

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And I began to pray to God.

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I said, "God, if you let me live,

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I promise I'll pick cotton
for you the rest of my life."

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And I saw myself picking cotton.

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I was doing... making
labor negotiations with God.

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And I started coming to,

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and I started thinking about my mother.

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And then the pain, that's what
I started feeling my body again.

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And the pain was really excruciating.

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Oh, man, it hurt.

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Soon as I got back home, after a few
months, after I recovered from my malaria

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and my wounds and everything,

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um, the border patrol stops
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I said, wait, wait a minute. [laugh]

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You know, and they had guns.
Too bad I didn't have a gun.

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[♪]

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♪ Don't mind the tears ♪

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♪ You see falling From my eyes ♪

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♪ It must have been the years ♪

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♪ Gone and caught me By surprise ♪

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♪ And if my eyes seem red ♪

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♪ Oh, baby ♪

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♪ It's just smoke from the fire Rising up ♪

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♪ Since you've been
gone It's been awful cold ♪

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♪ Had to burn the pages
From the book of love ♪

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♪ Hey, and I'm picking up now ♪

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♪ The pieces of my heart ♪

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♪ And I'm moving on ♪

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♪ With this weight Upon my back ♪

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♪ Yes, I'm picking up ♪

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♪ The pieces of my heart ♪

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♪ But it hurts so bad ♪

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[indistinct chatter]

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Hi! This is Juan Espinosa again,

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and this is Barrio Expressions and we have

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some young ladies with us today from.

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Union City, Fremont, Hayward area.

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Can you tell me a little bit
about what is Barrios Unidos?

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Okay, it's a club where
we would like to unite

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all the Chicanos together.

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Yeah, it sounds like a really
good idea, especially with

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what's going on this weekend
as far as a lot of tensions.

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Is to fight each other
so we don't get ahead.

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[David Oropeza] The term
Chicano, when that word came out,

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man, it just, like, it went into your soul.

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You know, this is who I am.

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You know, I am different.
We were different.

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I don't care what we
did, we were different.

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If we dressed, we did it differently.

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If we had bikes, our bikes were different.

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Our cars, we did it different.

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You know, that's just who we were,

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because we were different.

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[Chuco Moreno] To me,
homes, it's like, if you're...

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if you don't know that you're
Chicano, then you're not.

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You dig what I'm saying? [laugh]

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Odele. It's like, if you...

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you know, if you're asking
yourself that question,

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maybe try softball or
whatever, I don't know.

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[John Ulloa] It's art. It's philosophy.

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It's religion.

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They are not identifying as Hispanic.

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Right? Not identifying as Latino.

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They're identifying as Chicano

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as a political statement to say,

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"No, we're not with that
European vibe," right?

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We're going to go back to our indigenous,

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where we come from, here on this continent.

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[man] I just want to say something
on behalf of the people that

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do wear them type of clothes.

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Don't make no difference

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what you wear in this country.

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You're just judging a
person right then and there.

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There's people behind these
clothes that have a good heart.

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One bad apple can't spoil the whole bunch.

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[applause]

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I hope it may be said a
hundred years from now...

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that by working together...

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we helped to make our country more just.

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I believe...

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that at least it will be said...

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that we tried.

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[applause]

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[Moreno] You know, at that time,

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being Mexican in this country,

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it was heavily looked down upon.

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And so what begins to happen is you have

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this isolated culture.

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Living in this country
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abandoned and very, like, shut out.

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[Luis Rodriguez] It was
just neighborhood kids.

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And they were so young

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and out there pretty much on their own.

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There wasn't that much work.

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Their parents worked two, three jobs,

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you know what I'm saying?

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And they weren't able
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So there was a lot of kids in the street.

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And it's funny because I don't think it's

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a Mexican style thing.

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It was the Chicanos
creating a third culture.

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[♪]

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So how did you become
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I joined the American Indian movement

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on my return from Vietnam

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because I realized
politically I became aware.

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We're a native people,
we're indigenous to the land.

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[Trujillo] The Chicanos are
very different than the Italians

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or the Germans or any
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in that, as a group, we were
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[Rodriguez] Mexicans are
mostly indigenous people.

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They're not mostly European.

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You know, now it depends on what part.

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If you're closer to the northern part,

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you're more European.

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Because even some Germans and others,

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Irish and others, have
moved in there, you know.

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But Mexico is more indigenous
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than it is anything else.

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Anytime we're trying to sort of understand

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Mexican American history and culture,

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it's very complicated.

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[♪]

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[Sandoval] The U.S./Mexico
war was the first war

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that the United States
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President Polk, who was
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one of his main goals was to get the land,

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right, that they wanted
for westward expansion.

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He kept very detailed diaries.

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Every day of what he
did and in his journals

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and in his diary is the plan
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since they refused to negotiate

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and sell that land to them.

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When Polk sent in the
military to that contested terrain,

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he knew full well that the Mexican army

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would see that as an attack,
would cross over the Rio Grande

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and initiate, right, a
battle with the military.

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[Trujillo] Thousands of
people were lynched and shot,

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and murdered and put in prison.

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[Sandoval] The U.S. was
described as a go ahead nation

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sort of symbolized by
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It was all about moving
forward progress, right?

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Sort of civilization.

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They didn't see Mexicans
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to sort of build cities and
towns right in the West.

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Mexicans learn about this war
because they were occupied.

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They call it the second conquest.

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That's very telling, right?

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We don't learn about this war
because it mostly happened

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in another territory.

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[♪]

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And so when that border is drawn,

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it divides, right,
nations, it divides people.

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And overnight, people,
where this was their territory,

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now they become
foreigners in their native land.

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The Treaty of Guadalupe
Hidalgo promised that,

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former residents of Mexico

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who are now living in the American West,

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would be afforded all

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and full and complete
rights as American citizens.

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Well, that wasn't always honored.

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[Sandoval] It promised
respect for Mexicans,

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that their culture, their
language, their religion,

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if they stayed in the United States.

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- Hey, somebody's a shootin.
- No.

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Why, they are too. I heard them.

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[gunshots]

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Sound like it's over to the dam.

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Let's get goin'.

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Today, you know, in the 21st century,

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we think about the American cowboys,

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the quintessential American.

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But if you go back to the 19th century

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and you read newspapers of the period,

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they hated cowboys.

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Because for them, a cowboy
was a thief on horseback.

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[♪]

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The newspapers and the
media also are very important

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in portraying the Mexicans and the Chicanos

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as bandits and outlaws.

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So we have that to this
day too with the media.

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[♪]

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We better get out of here.

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No, wait.

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[♪]

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[Pagan] Things really
began to change because

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of the revolution in Mexico

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and there were a lot of
refugees who fled the violence.

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In fact, there have been some studies about

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how violent the Mexican revolution was

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and it's considered to be among
the most violent of revolutions

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that occur in world history.

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And so there were a
lot of people, including

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my grandparents who fled
the violence and they came

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to the United States,
never intending to stay,

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but they just wanted
to wait out the violence.

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[Rodriguez] My grandparents,
both of them fought in there

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and they were actually enemies.

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And then my mom and dad got together,

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kind of brought together
this two fighting factions.

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There's a million people killed

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and a million refugees

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when Mexico only had 15 million people.

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That's about the size
of Guatemala right now.

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So it was very impactful.

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There's a lot of suffering, a lot of death.

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It wasn't as heavily
populated or urban, you know,

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until maybe post the Mexican Revolution.

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Then it started to go bigger,
'30s and '40s more coming over.

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But those were the first barrios.

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[Sandoval] Once the border
patrol gets established,

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it becomes a little bit
more policed, right?

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So it becomes more difficult.

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So Mexicans have to make a choice.

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If I cross over and work here,

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I might not be able to come back, right?

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So you actually see the development

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of Mexican American communities

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and places like San Antonio

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and Tucson and Los Angeles.

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[♪]

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[Pagan] So today in the 21st century,

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we're largely color conscious

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when we think about race, right?

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And so when we invoke the terms of race,

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we think it has everything
to do with skin color, right?

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It has a lot to do with
prejudices that already exist

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about your place of
origin, about your accent,

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about... just all these ideas
about what it meant to be Irish

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or to be meant to be Jewish or Italian

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or, I mean, the list goes on and on.

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They're all thrown together in
these segregated neighborhoods.

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That's what makes things really interesting

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when you start studying the
social dynamics is you have

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white working class kids

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living right next to Mexican Americans,

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and African Americans
as well because that's...

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that kind of ghettoization

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is where all the
racialized individuals went.

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And it was... again, it
was more than just color.

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[Valle] We have to
understand and accept that

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it's not like today, whereas

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today if we see Irish
people, we see Italian people

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we think of them all as white.

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This was not the case back in the day.

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You know Italians and
Irish, Jews, Russians,

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they also had their little
share of discrimination

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because they were non Anglo.

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[Joaquin] They were
forced to live in these areas.

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They had nothing to do.
They couldn't go to the parks.

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They couldn't go to the movies.
They weren't allowed to.

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You know, Mexicans weren't
allowed to go to those places,

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so they had nothing to do
but hang out on the corner.

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Gangs is a later phenomena,

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but what happened is these
young people would gather,

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and sometimes they would
play in... they would have clubs.

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[Joaquin] Whenever
you get groups of people,

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they tend to form, these little cliques.

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It could be a varsity football team

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that likes to go out and beat up
another football team, you know?

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With my neighborhood,
it was a football team.

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And then after that there's
another football team.

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So one football team
starts fighting another, right?

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And that becomes a fight,
and after that it becomes,

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"Hey, those guys are
from here, we're from here,"

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and they become a gang.

302
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Our west coast became
a potential combat zone.

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Living in that zone were
more than 100,000 persons

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of Japanese ancestry.

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Two thirds of them American citizens.

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One third, aliens.

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[♪]

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[Joaquin] Well, Pachuco was something,

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you know, these Mexican Americans that

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liked to be a little rebellious.

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They wore the zoot suit,
which was frowned upon

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because of, you know, war rationing.

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They wore more fabric than they needed.

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[James Diego Vigil] El Paso
is where it was formulated

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into an example of a label

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for Mexicans who dress differently.

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Who spoke differently.

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[Rodriguez] Pachuco
actually comes from El Paso.

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Because the Mexicans were coming through

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El Paso more than any place.

321
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El Paso was the big opening.

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So the Zoot Suiters were
an interesting combination

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of street, urban, Mexican slang and talk.

324
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It was a really that Caló.

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They talked that different Spanish.

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The slang was very elaborate.

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It took a lot of the
boogie woogie music thing,

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but they Mexicanized it

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and I think that's important part of it.

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What Pachuco's came to
represent was anti American

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in a time, in a wartime climate

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where anything that was perceived

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as outside of the parameters

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of what was considered to be American

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was looked down upon and incriminated.

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[Sandoval] I think with the
zoot suit, you know, obviously

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when you sort of think about
what did the zoot suit mean

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to sort of that Mexican
American generation?

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Because you know,
wearing the zoot, you know,

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represented pride, right? Sort of respect.

341
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They've all came about
through being up against the wall.

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Whatever oppression was going on.

343
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It's like, okay, I'm not
going to be like the norm.

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I'm gonna stand on my
own and do my own thing.

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[Moreno] For the women I
believe there was even more

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rebelliousness and more anti-traditional.

347
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The people who originally
came here from Mexico,

348
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you know, they were fighting
for freedom, fighting for progress

349
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and fighting for success on some level.

350
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And then, you know, generations go by

351
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and you have these
younger generations of kids

352
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who are more modern thinking.

353
00:21:31,082 --> 00:21:33,418
And they're like, you know
what, chale homes, like,

354
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I'm not going to tone this down.

355
00:21:35,086 --> 00:21:37,088
Matter of fact, I'm
going to turn it way up.

356
00:21:38,965 --> 00:21:42,344
[Joaquin] There were plenty
of Mexican American Chicanos

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that were represented in
World War II as soldiers.

358
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My great uncle was one of them.

359
00:21:46,556 --> 00:21:48,224
He's in his nineties now.

360
00:21:48,266 --> 00:21:52,103
Um, you know, and he
was... still is very patriotic

361
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and a lot of the youth were,

362
00:21:54,356 --> 00:21:57,859
but there was definitely
some in the barrios

363
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that did not want to go and fight.

364
00:22:00,278 --> 00:22:02,530
It's like other wars, you
know, that we can think of.

365
00:22:02,572 --> 00:22:06,576
There was a lot of them that
either joined or got drafted.

366
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Mexican population was pretty
much decimated by the war.

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People were fighting.

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The ones that stayed
were generally the women,

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like the other communities,
that worked in the industry

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to help the war effort.

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L. A. became the largest
manufacturing center of

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the country during World
War II because of the ships,

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the shipyards close to the harbor had

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a lot of defense industries.

375
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Defense industry is big in California

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and L. A. was the heart of it.

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[Trujillo] The interesting thing is that

378
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while the Chicanos were
fighting the sailors here...

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in Los Angeles, their
brothers were fighting

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a war for democracy
somewhere else, supposedly.

381
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So, you know, there's a
big contradiction there.

382
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[♪]

383
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It's the biggest
contradiction of World War II.

384
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While we are fighting oppression abroad,

385
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we are oppressing people domestically.

386
00:23:07,887 --> 00:23:11,391
During World War II,
right, I think it's, again, this,

387
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it kind of reveals like
we're all fighting, we're all...

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we're all the good guys,

389
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we're spreading democracy in Europe.

390
00:23:17,522 --> 00:23:19,315
But the reality is that

391
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we're still treated as less
than here in the United States.

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[♪]

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[Pagan] On the night
that José Díaz was killed,

394
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there was a birthday
celebration happening at a ranch

395
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in rural Los Angeles County.

396
00:26:02,437 --> 00:26:04,939
And they had a reservoir,
they had a couple reservoirs,

397
00:26:04,981 --> 00:26:08,485
but the largest one local kids
would use as a swimming pool

398
00:26:08,568 --> 00:26:10,403
because, again, because of segregation

399
00:26:10,445 --> 00:26:13,323
you couldn't go down to the
local swimming pool and swim.

400
00:26:13,365 --> 00:26:15,950
There was a party that
night, a birthday party,

401
00:26:15,992 --> 00:26:17,619
some uninvited guests came.

402
00:26:17,702 --> 00:26:21,247
There was a group of Russian
immigrant kids from Downey

403
00:26:21,289 --> 00:26:24,334
that crashed the party, the birthday party.

404
00:26:24,376 --> 00:26:26,628
They want beer, they
want to join the party,

405
00:26:26,711 --> 00:26:28,296
and they get thrown out.

406
00:26:28,963 --> 00:26:32,759
[Joaquin] They're driving down
the road to get out of Williams Ranch,

407
00:26:32,801 --> 00:26:35,011
and they happen to pass by Sleepy Lagoon

408
00:26:35,053 --> 00:26:38,890
where there's a couple couples
from 38th Street that are there.

409
00:26:38,932 --> 00:26:43,603
Words are exchanged and a fight breaks out

410
00:26:43,645 --> 00:26:47,399
between the Downy Boys
and the young men and women

411
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,859
who are parked around the reservoir.

412
00:26:49,901 --> 00:26:52,320
[Joaquin] The 38th Streeters
go back to their neighborhood,

413
00:26:52,362 --> 00:26:54,364
come back in a few carloads,

414
00:26:54,406 --> 00:26:57,951
and no one's at the Sleepy
Lagoon anymore. It's quiet.

415
00:26:57,992 --> 00:27:01,871
[Pagan] Downy Boys are now long
gone, but they're looking for them.

416
00:27:01,913 --> 00:27:05,041
And somebody says, "Well, maybe
they're still at the party up the road."

417
00:27:05,083 --> 00:27:08,503
And so that's when 38th Street
kids then go up to the party.

418
00:27:09,045 --> 00:27:10,672
And a fight broke out.

419
00:27:10,755 --> 00:27:13,049
And then the 38th Street
kids left immediately.

420
00:27:13,091 --> 00:27:14,759
Someone said, "The cops are coming."

421
00:27:14,801 --> 00:27:17,512
And they all hopped in
their car and they took off.

422
00:27:17,554 --> 00:27:21,016
So the party goers at the ranch,

423
00:27:21,057 --> 00:27:24,227
the ranch hands, they're
picking up after the fight.

424
00:27:24,269 --> 00:27:25,895
They're trying to see who's hurt.

425
00:27:25,937 --> 00:27:28,314
This is when they find
the body of Jose Diaz.

426
00:27:30,066 --> 00:27:33,278
So they had dragnets
all throughout LA County.

427
00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:35,613
And they just ran kids
through, fingerprinted them,

428
00:27:35,655 --> 00:27:37,991
took their pictures and things like that.

429
00:27:38,033 --> 00:27:41,911
And eventually, they land
on the 38th Street kids

430
00:27:41,953 --> 00:27:44,539
who happen to be at the place

431
00:27:44,581 --> 00:27:47,792
near the time that Jose Diaz was killed.

432
00:27:48,793 --> 00:27:52,213
The Zoot Suit Riots
happened about a year later

433
00:27:52,255 --> 00:27:54,341
around different parts of LA.

434
00:27:54,382 --> 00:27:57,177
And it spread to different
parts of the country, in fact.

435
00:27:58,428 --> 00:28:02,015
Pachucos were rounded up, beaten down,

436
00:28:02,057 --> 00:28:05,185
had their clothes cut
off of them, their hair cut.

437
00:28:05,226 --> 00:28:08,605
Publicly humiliated and then arrested.

438
00:28:08,688 --> 00:28:10,231
[Pagan] There's no weapon produced ever.

439
00:28:10,273 --> 00:28:11,858
There's no eyewitness produced ever.

440
00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:13,860
There is no confession
that was ever produced.

441
00:28:14,402 --> 00:28:16,738
And a lot of it had to do with the media.

442
00:28:16,821 --> 00:28:19,949
The media saying that these Mexican
gangs were terrorizing neighborhoods.

443
00:28:19,991 --> 00:28:22,619
They were robbers. They were
rapists. They were murderers.

444
00:28:22,702 --> 00:28:25,455
Criminals. They're
thieves. They're immoral.

445
00:28:25,497 --> 00:28:28,249
[Pagan] And again, I remind
you that studies have looked at

446
00:28:28,291 --> 00:28:30,126
arrest rates and all these kinds of things,

447
00:28:30,168 --> 00:28:32,128
and there is no
demonstrable evidence that...

448
00:28:32,170 --> 00:28:34,297
that juvenile delinquency
was actually a problem,

449
00:28:34,339 --> 00:28:35,882
but people were worried about it.

450
00:28:35,924 --> 00:28:39,302
[Ulloa] Here you had kids, young people,

451
00:28:39,344 --> 00:28:45,392
that were freely engaging and enjoying

452
00:28:45,433 --> 00:28:48,645
their First Amendment right
to freedom of expression.

453
00:28:49,771 --> 00:28:51,981
And they were beaten for it

454
00:28:52,023 --> 00:28:56,194
because they were perceived
as an anti-American threat.

455
00:28:56,236 --> 00:28:58,488
[Moreno] The zoot suiters
might have had a more...

456
00:28:58,530 --> 00:29:01,074
they had a more communal understanding of

457
00:29:01,116 --> 00:29:03,326
the representation of their neighborhood.

458
00:29:03,368 --> 00:29:05,704
But when that evolved
from Pachuco to Cholo,

459
00:29:05,745 --> 00:29:08,123
that all changed and that became...

460
00:29:09,541 --> 00:29:11,334
that's when the gang culture really spawned

461
00:29:11,376 --> 00:29:12,919
and it took on a whole new meaning.

462
00:29:12,961 --> 00:29:14,921
So if you put your neighborhood on you,

463
00:29:14,963 --> 00:29:17,632
you were gonna either
live, die, or kill for that tattoo.

464
00:29:17,674 --> 00:29:20,927
It was Pachuco, but then
it became eventually Cholo.

465
00:29:20,969 --> 00:29:23,388
It became a whole
different way of doing things

466
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:25,140
that nobody had done before.

467
00:29:35,608 --> 00:29:38,987
After World War II, technology had changed.

468
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:41,990
So black folks, they went from doing jazz

469
00:29:42,032 --> 00:29:45,368
and swing to doing rock and roll,

470
00:29:45,410 --> 00:29:47,412
you know, to doing doo wop.

471
00:29:47,454 --> 00:29:50,373
The reason why black
people and Mexicans interacted

472
00:29:50,415 --> 00:29:52,709
and started taking from each other

473
00:29:52,792 --> 00:29:54,252
was because they're living close.

474
00:29:54,586 --> 00:29:58,131
A lot of people argue
about the origins of lowriding.

475
00:29:58,631 --> 00:30:01,843
You know, what we can agree upon is that

476
00:30:01,885 --> 00:30:05,597
the lowriding begins in the
Mexican American experience

477
00:30:05,638 --> 00:30:08,391
in the southwestern
part of the United States.

478
00:30:08,975 --> 00:30:10,727
Now remember, during World War II,

479
00:30:10,810 --> 00:30:13,313
Detroit is not making new cars, right?

480
00:30:13,355 --> 00:30:16,900
Because Detroit has
shifted to wartime production.

481
00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:20,445
So after the war, right,
returning veterans,

482
00:30:20,487 --> 00:30:24,699
they get a little bit of
money to buy cars, right?

483
00:30:25,033 --> 00:30:27,660
Also, there's a turnover in secondhand cars

484
00:30:27,702 --> 00:30:30,455
because people after the war want new cars.

485
00:30:30,955 --> 00:30:32,916
So I think what's really interesting

486
00:30:32,957 --> 00:30:35,377
about low riding is
that you're sort of taking

487
00:30:35,418 --> 00:30:37,045
sort of these secondhand cars

488
00:30:37,087 --> 00:30:39,923
and turning it into something beautiful.

489
00:30:41,007 --> 00:30:42,634
[Oropeza] Because older
cars, nobody wanted them.

490
00:30:42,676 --> 00:30:44,427
Everybody wanted the new cars.

491
00:30:44,469 --> 00:30:47,639
So old cars, you could
get an old car for like $300

492
00:30:47,681 --> 00:30:49,849
and we would just modify
'em a little, you know,

493
00:30:49,891 --> 00:30:52,227
put rims, lower 'em down.

494
00:30:52,268 --> 00:30:54,187
[Rodriguez] And the hydraulics came because

495
00:30:54,229 --> 00:30:56,773
we used to lower these
cars 'cause it was cool.

496
00:30:56,856 --> 00:30:59,818
And the law was you
couldn't have a lowered car.

497
00:30:59,859 --> 00:31:03,279
So they would have it so
that they would lift them up

498
00:31:03,321 --> 00:31:05,407
so they can be legal and then drop 'em down

499
00:31:05,448 --> 00:31:07,325
so they can be party.
You know what I'm saying?

500
00:31:07,367 --> 00:31:09,661
There was a surplus

501
00:31:09,703 --> 00:31:13,206
of aircraft parts and the hydraulic lifts.

502
00:31:13,248 --> 00:31:15,917
So it just took the ingenuity

503
00:31:15,959 --> 00:31:17,919
and mechanical knowhow

504
00:31:17,961 --> 00:31:21,172
to install those on a
car in order to be able

505
00:31:21,214 --> 00:31:23,425
to raise up to a legal ride height.

506
00:31:23,466 --> 00:31:26,845
We're the, I think, the only, you know,

507
00:31:26,886 --> 00:31:30,181
culture that is identified by our cars.

508
00:31:30,223 --> 00:31:31,975
Where you see a car.

509
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,438
That's a 64 Impala with Virgen
de Guadalupe airbrushed on it

510
00:31:36,479 --> 00:31:38,189
or the pin striping on the sides

511
00:31:38,231 --> 00:31:40,942
and you go that's
Chicano culture on wheels.

512
00:31:41,943 --> 00:31:44,195
[Ulloa] When you customize a car

513
00:31:44,237 --> 00:31:48,533
the whole goal is for you
to assert your individuality.

514
00:31:48,575 --> 00:31:52,078
You can have 10 '64 Impalas lined up

515
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,872
and they're all going to be different.

516
00:31:53,913 --> 00:31:57,000
[♪]

517
00:34:32,614 --> 00:34:34,157
[interviewer] What do you think of today?

518
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:35,742
- What do I think of today?
- Yeah.

519
00:34:35,784 --> 00:34:37,118
It's pretty feed me right now.

520
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,788
- And who is this right here?
- Juanita.

521
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:41,664
Juanita, what do you
think is happening today?

522
00:34:41,706 --> 00:34:43,375
- It's pretty live.
- Yeah?

523
00:34:43,833 --> 00:34:45,919
Well, what are you doing out
here, checking out the cars?

524
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,381
- Checking out the guys.
- Checking out the guys. All right, okay.

525
00:34:49,422 --> 00:34:52,008
[announcer] You're tuned to
Community Access Television, Channel 3,

526
00:34:52,050 --> 00:34:55,303
serving San Leandro,
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527
00:34:59,140 --> 00:35:01,768
Hello, thank you for tuning
in to Barrio Expressions,

528
00:35:01,810 --> 00:35:07,190
and tonight we have
some information for you.

529
00:35:07,232 --> 00:35:09,234
[Sandy Avila] Men are
cool with us. They accept us.

530
00:35:09,275 --> 00:35:11,778
There's a lot of men
that they congratulate us.

531
00:35:11,820 --> 00:35:13,988
They're happy for us. They're proud of us.

532
00:35:14,030 --> 00:35:16,991
And then, there's the men that are quiet.

533
00:35:17,033 --> 00:35:19,369
You know, they kind
of just, like, look at us.

534
00:35:19,411 --> 00:35:21,705
Like, you know, they give us the looks.

535
00:35:22,122 --> 00:35:24,124
[Sandoval] I think what
we're thinking about,

536
00:35:24,165 --> 00:35:26,543
whether it be hot rods or low riders,

537
00:35:26,584 --> 00:35:30,046
is how the car, particularly for men,

538
00:35:30,088 --> 00:35:32,924
right, becomes a way to express.

539
00:35:33,341 --> 00:35:35,093
[Ramirez] To me, the candy paint,

540
00:35:35,135 --> 00:35:37,095
the pinstriping, it's all just, you know,

541
00:35:37,137 --> 00:35:41,433
it takes time and effort and
detail, you know what I mean?

542
00:35:41,516 --> 00:35:45,020
Those cars you can't drive
that fast back then, you know?

543
00:35:45,061 --> 00:35:47,313
They're on 13-inch rims,

544
00:35:47,355 --> 00:35:50,025
the suspension's cut and it has hydraulics,

545
00:35:50,066 --> 00:35:52,110
like they're swaying all over the place.

546
00:35:52,152 --> 00:35:56,865
[Ulloa] I think that we've
always done things our way.

547
00:35:57,532 --> 00:36:00,285
So car customization is just one of...

548
00:36:00,326 --> 00:36:02,579
one of the variables in the equation.

549
00:36:03,204 --> 00:36:08,251
Lowriding is an artistic
and linguistic expression,

550
00:36:08,293 --> 00:36:11,046
and by default, it's political.

551
00:36:11,338 --> 00:36:13,423
[Oropeza] If you follow the lifestyle

552
00:36:13,465 --> 00:36:15,717
and you're one of us, you are one, man.

553
00:36:15,759 --> 00:36:17,302
We don't look at you as color, you know?

554
00:36:17,344 --> 00:36:19,012
And we never did see 'em as color.

555
00:36:19,054 --> 00:36:21,931
My homeboy, my black
homeboy or my white homeboy,

556
00:36:21,973 --> 00:36:23,767
that was my homeboy regardless, you know,

557
00:36:23,808 --> 00:36:25,685
I didn't see 'em as a color.

558
00:36:25,727 --> 00:36:27,896
[Rodriguez] So we used to
have two or three homeboys

559
00:36:27,937 --> 00:36:29,564
that were white, that were just homies.

560
00:36:29,606 --> 00:36:31,066
We never saw them as white.

561
00:36:31,107 --> 00:36:32,859
They talked Pachuco too, Cholo.

562
00:36:32,901 --> 00:36:35,487
They talked Caló, you
know, they talked our style.

563
00:36:35,570 --> 00:36:39,866
[Oriol] I've seen a lot of car
events, lowrider events where

564
00:36:39,908 --> 00:36:42,243
there was a lot of black and brown and

565
00:36:42,285 --> 00:36:44,579
everybody had nothing
but love for each other.

566
00:36:44,621 --> 00:36:49,501
[Ulloa] Anytime you key in solely on race,

567
00:36:49,584 --> 00:36:52,879
you miss, you know, the big picture.

568
00:36:52,921 --> 00:36:55,340
You know, it's a very narrow view.

569
00:36:55,382 --> 00:36:58,218
[narrator] Johnny Marvin is
now in the hands of the law.

570
00:36:58,259 --> 00:37:00,720
This is the first time he's been caught,

571
00:37:00,762 --> 00:37:03,390
but his delinquent
tendencies began long before

572
00:37:03,431 --> 00:37:05,475
in the complex of an unhappy home

573
00:37:05,517 --> 00:37:08,311
and in the hangout of the
gang, which was his refuge.

574
00:37:10,271 --> 00:37:13,024
When I worked in East LA,
I wound up in the gang unit

575
00:37:13,066 --> 00:37:14,859
because I love working gangs.

576
00:37:14,901 --> 00:37:16,444
So then I went to Compton,

577
00:37:16,486 --> 00:37:18,738
I got to work my own
neighborhood, Willowbrook,

578
00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:23,118
and I got known for being
the guy who works gangs.

579
00:37:23,451 --> 00:37:26,621
I used to describe what
I did as a police officer

580
00:37:26,663 --> 00:37:31,251
as being the referee at an
incredibly violent hockey game.

581
00:37:31,292 --> 00:37:32,669
I came from Compton.

582
00:37:32,711 --> 00:37:34,421
I came from a very poor neighborhood.

583
00:37:34,504 --> 00:37:36,965
Some of my best friends
became gang members.

584
00:37:37,298 --> 00:37:39,092
They became prison gang members.

585
00:37:39,592 --> 00:37:41,219
That could have been me.

586
00:37:41,261 --> 00:37:43,179
If circumstances were different,

587
00:37:43,221 --> 00:37:44,639
maybe I could have been one of them.

588
00:37:44,681 --> 00:37:48,226
[♪]

589
00:37:57,652 --> 00:38:02,574
In 1966, after I
graduated from high school

590
00:38:02,615 --> 00:38:05,744
I went into the military,
and the military put me

591
00:38:05,785 --> 00:38:07,245
through a battery of tests.

592
00:38:07,287 --> 00:38:09,039
It was the military who decided that

593
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,582
I should be a military policeman.

594
00:38:10,874 --> 00:38:12,792
I came out of Vietnam.

595
00:38:12,834 --> 00:38:14,627
I went to Fort Huachuca, Arizona.

596
00:38:14,919 --> 00:38:17,839
I was by then a sergeant
and they had a program

597
00:38:17,881 --> 00:38:20,008
where you could get
out of the military early

598
00:38:20,050 --> 00:38:22,677
if you enlisted in the LAPD

599
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,429
or LA County Sheriff's Department.

600
00:38:25,055 --> 00:38:29,017
My mother and father were anti-pachuco.

601
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:32,979
My father, he was in
the military in the '40s,

602
00:38:33,021 --> 00:38:36,191
and, all my uncles, all my uncles.

603
00:38:36,649 --> 00:38:39,069
So this idea that it was a rite of passage

604
00:38:39,110 --> 00:38:41,780
and all Latinos, you
know, were involved in this?

605
00:38:41,821 --> 00:38:43,281
No, no.

606
00:38:43,907 --> 00:38:48,370
90% of the Latinos in
the communities I know,

607
00:38:48,411 --> 00:38:52,290
they joined the army, they got jobs,

608
00:38:52,332 --> 00:38:54,668
they went to school, things like that.

609
00:38:54,834 --> 00:38:56,628
Some of the young
people are doing bad things,

610
00:38:56,670 --> 00:38:59,089
but most of them are not,
they're just grouping together.

611
00:38:59,130 --> 00:39:01,132
But eventually, if the
police start messing with you

612
00:39:01,174 --> 00:39:02,676
and start detaining you,

613
00:39:02,717 --> 00:39:04,010
holding you for little things,

614
00:39:04,052 --> 00:39:05,553
eventually you start getting records,

615
00:39:05,595 --> 00:39:08,056
and pretty soon you're becoming a gang.

616
00:39:08,098 --> 00:39:10,975
Chicano culture, it came from youth.

617
00:39:11,017 --> 00:39:13,687
We have to understand that those pachucos,

618
00:39:13,728 --> 00:39:16,606
they weren't like grown
men and women, you know,

619
00:39:16,648 --> 00:39:19,609
they were kids, you
know, so it came from kids.

620
00:39:19,651 --> 00:39:20,735
[laugh]

621
00:39:20,777 --> 00:39:22,195
If you were there at that time

622
00:39:22,237 --> 00:39:25,031
and you ask my uncles or my father,

623
00:39:25,073 --> 00:39:26,741
they're banderos.

624
00:39:26,783 --> 00:39:31,246
They're... my grandma
called them marihuanos.

625
00:39:31,663 --> 00:39:35,125
You know, don't hang around
with those pieces of trash.

626
00:39:35,166 --> 00:39:37,627
By the way, the zoot suit is a...

627
00:39:38,503 --> 00:39:41,923
is a an open sign of rebellion
against the United States.

628
00:39:42,298 --> 00:39:45,343
[Pagan] Did everyone walk
around, you know, odele ese,

629
00:39:45,385 --> 00:39:48,471
you know, this guy? No, they
didn't. there's no evidence.

630
00:39:48,513 --> 00:39:49,889
As a matter of fact,

631
00:39:50,890 --> 00:39:52,851
the play Zoot Suit, which revolves

632
00:39:52,892 --> 00:39:55,020
around the 38th Street Kids,

633
00:39:55,061 --> 00:39:57,022
they didn't speak Caló.

634
00:39:57,313 --> 00:39:58,940
They didn't speak Spanish.

635
00:39:59,190 --> 00:40:02,068
These were Americanized Mexican Americans.

636
00:40:02,110 --> 00:40:04,070
[gunfire]

637
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:11,745
[narrator] This is the
7.62 machine gun system,

638
00:40:11,786 --> 00:40:15,665
known in the army as the XM6 kit.

639
00:40:17,083 --> 00:40:18,918
Good evening, my fellow Americans.

640
00:40:19,502 --> 00:40:22,130
I have asked for this
television time tonight

641
00:40:22,172 --> 00:40:25,967
to report to you on our most
difficult and urgent problem.

642
00:40:26,009 --> 00:40:27,635
The war in Vietnam.

643
00:40:27,677 --> 00:40:29,429
[Trujillo] When I was
there at Travis Air Base,

644
00:40:29,512 --> 00:40:33,224
I was there in the bed
watching on August 29, 1970,

645
00:40:33,266 --> 00:40:35,685
those riots going on in LA.

646
00:40:37,562 --> 00:40:39,439
Well, you know, being a soldier,

647
00:40:39,522 --> 00:40:42,400
but my political thinking had changed,

648
00:40:44,819 --> 00:40:47,197
I said, "Oh, I know how
to deal with those sheriffs."

649
00:40:47,238 --> 00:40:49,616
[chuckles] I know how to deal with them.

650
00:40:49,699 --> 00:40:51,284
Just give me a gun.

651
00:40:51,326 --> 00:40:52,911
I changed.

652
00:40:52,952 --> 00:40:54,662
The war's at home.

653
00:40:54,704 --> 00:40:57,749
Now the war's here, and
these people are attacking...

654
00:40:58,708 --> 00:41:01,211
our people, so it's my duty to attack them.

655
00:41:01,753 --> 00:41:04,381
That was what I was thinking as a soldier.

656
00:41:04,422 --> 00:41:07,467
[♪]

657
00:41:11,763 --> 00:41:13,890
[Valdemar] One of my friends
in the Army, he grew up with me,

658
00:41:13,932 --> 00:41:15,725
went into Ralph J. Bunch Jr. High School

659
00:41:15,767 --> 00:41:16,851
with me and all that.

660
00:41:16,893 --> 00:41:18,436
He's a lifer in the military,

661
00:41:18,478 --> 00:41:20,355
and one day he came home on leave,

662
00:41:20,397 --> 00:41:22,357
and I went to go pick
him up at the airport.

663
00:41:22,399 --> 00:41:24,567
And when he got in the car, I tell him,

664
00:41:24,609 --> 00:41:28,405
Hey Johnny, I got a 9mm on my side,

665
00:41:28,446 --> 00:41:30,824
I got a 45 under my seat.

666
00:41:31,658 --> 00:41:34,452
And there's a.380 on my right leg,

667
00:41:34,494 --> 00:41:37,497
and there's a.38 in the glove box.

668
00:41:37,914 --> 00:41:41,918
And he looks at me and goes,
"Richard, you're paranoid."

669
00:41:42,961 --> 00:41:44,629
I was.

670
00:41:44,671 --> 00:41:46,673
Right, I was ready for that fight.

671
00:41:46,965 --> 00:41:49,217
If it was gonna come, I was gonna be ready.

672
00:41:49,259 --> 00:41:51,970
[♪]

673
00:42:23,543 --> 00:42:26,296
Our communities were especially impacted.

674
00:42:26,546 --> 00:42:29,591
Poor white as well, working class people

675
00:42:29,674 --> 00:42:31,551
were getting really hit with Vietnam.

676
00:42:31,593 --> 00:42:33,720
Vietnam was the war that
brought more conscience,

677
00:42:33,762 --> 00:42:36,097
I think, to those issues
than any other war.

678
00:42:36,765 --> 00:42:40,643
[Trujillo] You know, to me,
especially as a Vietnam veteran,

679
00:42:40,685 --> 00:42:42,937
it's difficult for someone to admit

680
00:42:42,979 --> 00:42:45,732
that they fought for nothing.

681
00:42:45,774 --> 00:42:48,860
They fought for... we fought
for nothing, and we lost,

682
00:42:48,902 --> 00:42:50,362
and we lost a lot of people,

683
00:42:50,403 --> 00:42:52,697
and the Vietnamese lost a lot of people.

684
00:42:53,448 --> 00:42:54,741
Three million people.

685
00:42:54,783 --> 00:42:56,159
Forget about them.

686
00:42:57,077 --> 00:43:00,830
[♪]

687
00:43:18,807 --> 00:43:22,644
♪ I don't recognize These streets ♪

688
00:43:24,312 --> 00:43:27,857
♪ Streets I used To call my own ♪

689
00:43:30,110 --> 00:43:33,905
♪ Feel the days Are getting longer ♪

690
00:43:35,615 --> 00:43:39,911
♪ As the anger Grows and grows ♪

691
00:43:42,205 --> 00:43:45,417
♪ And I'm tired ♪

692
00:43:46,876 --> 00:43:51,965
♪ I'm just so damn tired ♪

693
00:43:52,298 --> 00:43:56,469
♪ You hear the people In the streets ♪

694
00:43:59,055 --> 00:44:01,516
[Trujillo] The anti-war Chicano movement

695
00:44:01,558 --> 00:44:04,477
became a catalyst for other,

696
00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:07,313
or a rallying point for other...

697
00:44:07,355 --> 00:44:11,526
for other causes such as the
black civil rights movement,

698
00:44:11,568 --> 00:44:14,904
the anti-war movement,
the hippies and all of that,

699
00:44:14,946 --> 00:44:17,115
you know, the counterculture movement.

700
00:44:17,157 --> 00:44:19,534
What I disliked was the agitators

701
00:44:19,576 --> 00:44:23,371
who would come into the
community and agitate the locals

702
00:44:23,413 --> 00:44:26,374
and when the time came
when confrontation would occur,

703
00:44:26,416 --> 00:44:27,917
guess where they were.

704
00:44:27,959 --> 00:44:29,753
They were somewhere
else. And you know what?

705
00:44:29,794 --> 00:44:31,713
They usually weren't from
our neighborhood, right?

706
00:44:31,796 --> 00:44:35,884
They were some rich
kid in college you know,

707
00:44:35,925 --> 00:44:37,427
a privileged guy,

708
00:44:37,469 --> 00:44:39,012
who was coming down to the neighborhood

709
00:44:39,054 --> 00:44:40,805
to create a problem and then leave.

710
00:44:40,847 --> 00:44:44,517
Some of these guys, were backed by.

711
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:48,146
Red China and Russia.

712
00:44:48,188 --> 00:44:50,857
[applause]

713
00:45:00,116 --> 00:45:02,827
So we're building that
conference and we're also hoping

714
00:45:02,869 --> 00:45:05,747
to invite all of you to
come on Sunday at 3 pm.

715
00:45:05,830 --> 00:45:07,499
At the corner of Clifton and Sherman

716
00:45:07,540 --> 00:45:09,250
at the George I. Sanchez Center.

717
00:45:09,292 --> 00:45:10,919
And again, I remind you

718
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,172
that most of us will have to
think about what this means,

719
00:45:14,214 --> 00:45:15,840
because it is true.

720
00:45:15,882 --> 00:45:19,803
I feel very much that they
do not know the difference.

721
00:45:19,844 --> 00:45:21,763
They don't see different
thing when they look

722
00:45:21,846 --> 00:45:23,181
at Mexicano or Chicano.

723
00:45:23,223 --> 00:45:24,724
They see the same thing.

724
00:45:24,766 --> 00:45:28,353
And these two things
are integrally tied together.

725
00:45:28,853 --> 00:45:31,439
[Pagan] In the '60s and '70s,

726
00:45:32,148 --> 00:45:33,692
there was a very clear distinction

727
00:45:33,733 --> 00:45:35,777
between Mexican Americans and Chicanos.

728
00:45:36,736 --> 00:45:39,406
Chicanos were those who

729
00:45:39,447 --> 00:45:44,536
self consciously embraced a
politicized agenda and identity.

730
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,331
And we made a very clear
line between us Chicano

731
00:45:48,373 --> 00:45:50,083
and those Mexican Americans.

732
00:45:50,125 --> 00:45:51,751
I would say Chicano was a term

733
00:45:51,793 --> 00:45:54,254
that was used a lot in my household.

734
00:45:54,421 --> 00:45:57,340
Um, my pops, you know,
growing up in that era,

735
00:45:57,382 --> 00:45:59,968
I would say, you know,
being real young in the '60s.

736
00:46:00,010 --> 00:46:03,054
[Trujillo] To me growing
up, Chicano and Mexicano,

737
00:46:03,096 --> 00:46:04,806
I didn't even think, I didn't even know

738
00:46:04,848 --> 00:46:06,391
there were two different words.

739
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,519
We used them interchangeably.

740
00:46:11,438 --> 00:46:13,273
Okay, but then it became politicized.

741
00:46:14,232 --> 00:46:17,068
[Rodriguez] Chicanos, the term
was already used in the streets.

742
00:46:17,110 --> 00:46:19,529
And I know even when I was growing up...

743
00:46:19,571 --> 00:46:21,322
growing up in Watts and eventually

744
00:46:21,364 --> 00:46:24,034
in the east side, the San Gabriel Valley,

745
00:46:24,075 --> 00:46:25,577
before the Chicano movement,

746
00:46:25,618 --> 00:46:27,537
we were calling each other Chicanos.

747
00:46:27,871 --> 00:46:30,915
[Castillo] For me, Chicano growing up meant

748
00:46:30,957 --> 00:46:32,959
being two things at the same time

749
00:46:33,001 --> 00:46:34,586
and not enough of either one.

750
00:46:35,086 --> 00:46:38,381
Born in America with Mexican parts, right?

751
00:46:38,423 --> 00:46:42,218
So we're trying to be
American, but we have this

752
00:46:42,260 --> 00:46:46,222
big influence of Mexico and our...

753
00:46:46,264 --> 00:46:48,308
our heritage, our relatives,

754
00:46:48,350 --> 00:46:50,226
trying to combine the two.

755
00:46:50,810 --> 00:46:53,021
I think now that we have social media,

756
00:46:53,063 --> 00:46:57,400
is now you see how many
homies really aren't Mexican.

757
00:46:57,442 --> 00:47:00,111
When I met my wife, she didn't
know I was from Central America.

758
00:47:00,153 --> 00:47:01,905
I think she found out after we got married.

759
00:47:01,946 --> 00:47:03,907
Or she found out maybe a few years after

760
00:47:03,948 --> 00:47:05,784
we actually were together.

761
00:47:05,825 --> 00:47:07,535
I consider myself Chicano,

762
00:47:07,577 --> 00:47:08,953
and there's nobody
going to tell me different.

763
00:47:08,995 --> 00:47:10,997
If I would have never came out and said,

764
00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:14,000
"Hey, I'm from Honduras." You
would assume, yeah, Gil's Mexican.

765
00:47:14,042 --> 00:47:15,585
There's a lot of us out
there, but it's not that

766
00:47:15,627 --> 00:47:17,087
I'm trying to be Mexican.

767
00:47:17,128 --> 00:47:18,755
It's not that I'm trying
to be anything else.

768
00:47:18,838 --> 00:47:20,507
I'm a guy from North Hollywood that, yeah,

769
00:47:20,548 --> 00:47:22,300
considers himself Chicano
because that's what I am.

770
00:47:22,342 --> 00:47:24,636
What do you think about police who say that

771
00:47:24,678 --> 00:47:27,347
if you wear tattoos that you're
a potential gang member?

772
00:47:27,389 --> 00:47:28,515
False.

773
00:47:28,556 --> 00:47:29,891
False.

774
00:47:29,933 --> 00:47:31,434
False statement.

775
00:47:31,476 --> 00:47:33,687
'Cause a lot of people
that are having tattoos

776
00:47:33,728 --> 00:47:35,313
don't belong to no gang.

777
00:47:36,064 --> 00:47:38,024
I don't think, I don't
think he should be there.

778
00:47:38,066 --> 00:47:41,903
He's put in a different, like group.

779
00:47:41,945 --> 00:47:43,571
Because he got tattoos.

780
00:47:44,406 --> 00:47:47,367
You know? There's a lot
of people that have tattoos.

781
00:47:48,118 --> 00:47:50,995
My father has tattoos.
You know, he's 50 years old.

782
00:47:51,246 --> 00:47:52,580
Does that make him a gang member?

783
00:47:52,622 --> 00:47:54,124
No. No.

784
00:47:54,165 --> 00:47:57,002
I think that that was like
one of the strongest ways

785
00:47:57,043 --> 00:47:59,754
that they could say, "No,
look at me, you know,

786
00:47:59,796 --> 00:48:01,089
and I'm not going to go and hide."

787
00:48:01,131 --> 00:48:02,465
And I am proud of...

788
00:48:02,507 --> 00:48:04,134
because I remember getting my last name

789
00:48:04,175 --> 00:48:05,427
on my back when I was a kid.

790
00:48:05,468 --> 00:48:07,178
That was the first tat I got.

791
00:48:07,220 --> 00:48:10,181
And I went to school the
next day and I wore a slingshot.

792
00:48:10,223 --> 00:48:13,810
I wouldn't even wear a t shirt because I
wanted everybody to see that tat, homes.

793
00:48:13,893 --> 00:48:17,022
And You know, the homeboys are like, odele,

794
00:48:17,063 --> 00:48:19,357
you know, you got... you
got tatted, that's firme.

795
00:48:19,399 --> 00:48:22,068
But I saw teachers and other people

796
00:48:22,110 --> 00:48:23,611
and they looked down their nose at that

797
00:48:23,653 --> 00:48:26,114
marking on my back
that meant so much to me.

798
00:48:28,408 --> 00:48:30,452
And I just remember
thinking, you know what?

799
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:32,537
I don't care, man.

800
00:48:32,579 --> 00:48:34,622
Like this... this emblem,
this badge of armor

801
00:48:34,664 --> 00:48:36,332
that I'm wearing right now,

802
00:48:36,374 --> 00:48:40,211
it's way, way, way more
magnetic and powerful to me

803
00:48:40,253 --> 00:48:42,756
than their opinion of what they think I am.

804
00:48:42,797 --> 00:48:44,632
[Oropeza] I was brought up as a Catholic

805
00:48:44,674 --> 00:48:47,677
because of, my grandmother,
you know, as a child.

806
00:48:48,094 --> 00:48:50,764
So, it's always, has a meaning to me.

807
00:48:50,805 --> 00:48:53,600
My religion is who I am, you know?

808
00:48:53,933 --> 00:48:57,604
And culture, and I guess family.

809
00:48:57,645 --> 00:48:59,606
I mean, that's who you love.

810
00:48:59,647 --> 00:49:02,067
You know, that's the closest thing to you.

811
00:49:02,108 --> 00:49:05,445
Your ethnicity, your family,
you know, or your culture.

812
00:49:05,487 --> 00:49:07,447
And these are the things
that will never change.

813
00:49:07,489 --> 00:49:09,407
And these are like the core of our...

814
00:49:09,449 --> 00:49:11,242
of our representation
when it comes to tattooing.

815
00:49:11,284 --> 00:49:14,162
And if you look at any
true vato from that lifestyle,

816
00:49:14,204 --> 00:49:16,414
the look at the image
they wear, they're all similar.

817
00:49:16,456 --> 00:49:19,417
[♪]

818
00:49:44,067 --> 00:49:47,445
[Ulloa] I think that going back to

819
00:49:47,487 --> 00:49:51,783
the '70s and certainly

820
00:49:51,825 --> 00:49:56,204
the presence of Good
Time Charlie's Tattoo Shop

821
00:49:56,246 --> 00:49:57,997
on Whittier Boulevard.

822
00:49:58,665 --> 00:50:02,168
That Chicano style black and gray tattooing

823
00:50:02,210 --> 00:50:05,005
moves to the shop,

824
00:50:05,046 --> 00:50:09,134
where historically it
was a prison experience.

825
00:50:10,552 --> 00:50:13,054
The plaqueazos, you know, the graffiti.

826
00:50:13,096 --> 00:50:17,267
You know, Chicanos have
a very distinct style of graffiti.

827
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,436
[Oropeza] It wasn't just tagging.

828
00:50:19,477 --> 00:50:23,314
The Chicanos were creating
these really large, elaborate pieces.

829
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,735
A lot of it came from, from the YAs,

830
00:50:26,776 --> 00:50:28,695
you know, the YA system, you know,

831
00:50:28,737 --> 00:50:31,156
that's where Freddy Negretti
and all these people come in,

832
00:50:31,197 --> 00:50:33,158
is because they started in there,

833
00:50:33,199 --> 00:50:35,577
and I know the people
that were in there with him,

834
00:50:35,618 --> 00:50:38,538
and they would do it
for the guys, wouldn't,

835
00:50:38,580 --> 00:50:41,750
you know, start any fights
or violence, would let them,

836
00:50:41,791 --> 00:50:43,835
okay, you guys could tattoo
each other or whatever,

837
00:50:43,877 --> 00:50:45,920
you know, just stay
out of trouble, you know,

838
00:50:45,962 --> 00:50:48,590
so they would start
practicing it on each other,

839
00:50:48,631 --> 00:50:50,383
and those patterns started turning

840
00:50:50,425 --> 00:50:52,510
into collages and stuff, you know.

841
00:51:00,060 --> 00:51:02,979
I'll never live this down.
My peers are gonna kill me.

842
00:51:05,398 --> 00:51:07,400
Okay, working in a prison is...

843
00:51:08,735 --> 00:51:10,236
Okay.

844
00:51:11,029 --> 00:51:14,908
Working in a prison is not
always what people think

845
00:51:14,949 --> 00:51:16,993
or what the community thinks.

846
00:51:17,035 --> 00:51:18,620
We like to have the community come

847
00:51:18,661 --> 00:51:20,914
and tour the prison so
they don't have the idea that

848
00:51:20,955 --> 00:51:25,251
we are the old stereotype
James Cagney type prison guards.

849
00:51:25,293 --> 00:51:27,045
We're professionals.

850
00:51:27,087 --> 00:51:30,799
[Valdemar] Well, all
the traditional gang, uh,

851
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,052
dress from the '60s and '70s

852
00:51:34,094 --> 00:51:35,720
all came out of prison.

853
00:51:36,137 --> 00:51:39,766
So like you said, a shirt
folded neatly over the arm,

854
00:51:39,808 --> 00:51:41,685
the white t-shirt, the khakis,

855
00:51:41,726 --> 00:51:43,436
the white tennis shoes,

856
00:51:43,478 --> 00:51:48,066
all that stuff was county
issue or state issue.

857
00:51:48,108 --> 00:51:50,276
So guy walking down the street

858
00:51:50,318 --> 00:51:52,612
who deliberately was dressing in that way

859
00:51:52,654 --> 00:51:54,781
was telling everybody,

860
00:51:54,823 --> 00:51:57,826
hey, I just got out of jail, you know,

861
00:51:57,867 --> 00:51:59,285
or I got out of the joint.

862
00:51:59,327 --> 00:52:02,330
[♪]

863
00:52:09,212 --> 00:52:11,339
[Valle] It was completely different

864
00:52:11,381 --> 00:52:13,717
and there was a big awe.

865
00:52:13,758 --> 00:52:16,678
It was like I don't even
know how to describe it.

866
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:18,888
And I just knew when I was in kindergarten,

867
00:52:18,930 --> 00:52:21,516
when I was in first
grade, all I wanted to do

868
00:52:21,558 --> 00:52:23,309
was be a cholo, you know what I mean?

869
00:52:23,351 --> 00:52:26,354
[Rodreguez] The cholo
style can be khaki, iron,

870
00:52:26,396 --> 00:52:29,524
certain shoes that can allow
you to run, but also be cool.

871
00:52:29,566 --> 00:52:34,154
The baggy pants, the
Nike Cortez, dark lipstick,

872
00:52:34,195 --> 00:52:35,905
the sharpie eyebrows.

873
00:52:35,947 --> 00:52:38,283
Pants were perfectly creased

874
00:52:38,324 --> 00:52:40,285
and you couldn't have
a wrinkle on your shirt.

875
00:52:40,326 --> 00:52:42,078
You know, you couldn't
have a hole in your jeans.

876
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:43,913
You couldn't have a scuff on your shoes.

877
00:52:43,955 --> 00:52:45,749
[Rodriguez] White tees
eventually became the thing

878
00:52:45,790 --> 00:52:47,250
that Chicanos made big.

879
00:52:47,292 --> 00:52:50,503
You know, the wool caps and then paletnas,

880
00:52:50,545 --> 00:52:53,548
you know, and then keeping button two...

881
00:52:53,590 --> 00:52:55,425
two because it actually
flared out a certain way

882
00:52:55,467 --> 00:52:57,093
if you had two buttons up here.

883
00:53:00,555 --> 00:53:02,349
They started stylizing

884
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:04,351
everything just like the Pachucos did.

885
00:53:04,768 --> 00:53:07,187
They were still wearing their pants

886
00:53:07,228 --> 00:53:10,023
like they did with the zoot suits,

887
00:53:10,065 --> 00:53:12,359
except they were replaced more so

888
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,487
by clothing that reflected
their social conditions.

889
00:53:15,570 --> 00:53:17,489
So I would say three different things.

890
00:53:17,572 --> 00:53:21,326
One is the military, two is labor,

891
00:53:21,368 --> 00:53:24,037
and then three is the pinta.

892
00:53:27,290 --> 00:53:31,127
[children singing]

893
00:53:41,429 --> 00:53:44,140
[Valdemar] I ran a teen
center program in Willowbrook

894
00:53:44,182 --> 00:53:46,935
for troubled kids under the
Catholic Youth Organization

895
00:53:46,976 --> 00:53:48,353
and the War on Poverty.

896
00:53:48,395 --> 00:53:49,979
So if you would have saw me then,

897
00:53:50,021 --> 00:53:51,398
you would say he's an activist,

898
00:53:51,439 --> 00:53:53,900
a liberal, a Chicano, right?

899
00:53:53,942 --> 00:53:55,235
That's what I was.

900
00:53:55,276 --> 00:53:57,529
But when you become a policeman,

901
00:53:57,612 --> 00:54:00,407
you get to see things from the other side.

902
00:54:04,744 --> 00:54:08,456
[Tejada] I got committed in
'91 for shooting at some cops,

903
00:54:08,498 --> 00:54:10,208
and so, obviously, I
didn't like the cops for

904
00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:12,002
a certain point in my life, right?

905
00:54:12,877 --> 00:54:14,421
When you become a gang
member, a lot of people

906
00:54:14,504 --> 00:54:16,131
believe that off the bat,

907
00:54:16,172 --> 00:54:17,924
they're just killers and, you know,

908
00:54:17,966 --> 00:54:20,677
they're just... they're
cold blooded individuals,

909
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,595
and that can be the
farthest thing from the truth.

910
00:54:26,182 --> 00:54:27,767
It has a lot to do with prison.

911
00:54:27,809 --> 00:54:31,229
Prison has had a huge influence over us

912
00:54:31,271 --> 00:54:32,814
in a negative way.

913
00:54:32,856 --> 00:54:35,233
It's made us believe that

914
00:54:35,275 --> 00:54:37,110
that's where we want to go.

915
00:54:41,322 --> 00:54:46,369
I think we're the only culture that

916
00:54:46,411 --> 00:54:48,329
strives to go to prison.

917
00:54:48,830 --> 00:54:50,415
African Americans don't do it.

918
00:54:50,457 --> 00:54:52,959
Irish never did it. Italians never did it.

919
00:54:53,001 --> 00:54:56,421
No other race has ever
said I want to go to the joint.

920
00:54:56,463 --> 00:54:59,924
Us, as kids, even now,
I want to go to the joint.

921
00:54:59,966 --> 00:55:02,260
Because we glamorize the hell out of it.

922
00:55:02,302 --> 00:55:05,138
[♪]

923
00:55:12,228 --> 00:55:14,814
[interviewer] Why do you
think the cops are younger.

924
00:55:15,106 --> 00:55:16,816
[man] Basically, I don't think
they like too many Chicanos

925
00:55:16,858 --> 00:55:18,610
crowded around at one time.

926
00:55:18,651 --> 00:55:22,697
So they see that and then
they get... they get afraid.

927
00:55:22,739 --> 00:55:25,325
They're afraid that we're
all congregating in one.

928
00:55:27,369 --> 00:55:29,120
See, we don't have
adequate facilities down here

929
00:55:29,162 --> 00:55:30,830
for the youths around this neighborhood.

930
00:55:30,872 --> 00:55:32,165
I think it would be a good idea

931
00:55:32,207 --> 00:55:33,875
if they can get some money together

932
00:55:33,917 --> 00:55:36,127
to provide for them to
have some place to go,

933
00:55:36,169 --> 00:55:37,837
so they would stay off the streets

934
00:55:37,879 --> 00:55:39,422
like a little club house.

935
00:55:39,464 --> 00:55:40,882
There's plenty of vacant
buildings around here,

936
00:55:40,924 --> 00:55:42,550
which can be leased out, you know,

937
00:55:42,592 --> 00:55:44,427
on the government funds or what have you.

938
00:55:44,469 --> 00:55:46,221
Put the money to use,

939
00:55:46,262 --> 00:55:48,390
rather than take it from us and
not use it for nuclear weapons,

940
00:55:48,431 --> 00:55:50,266
or what have they, you know?

941
00:55:50,308 --> 00:55:51,935
Use it for the community,
you know, use it for the kids

942
00:55:51,976 --> 00:55:53,687
so they can have someplace to go

943
00:55:53,728 --> 00:55:55,271
so they don't hang
around like they always are.

944
00:55:55,313 --> 00:55:56,815
And then they won't be harassed.

945
00:55:56,856 --> 00:55:59,609
[♪]

946
00:56:08,076 --> 00:56:11,204
Thy don't have no right
talking about the way you dress,

947
00:56:11,246 --> 00:56:14,416
you know, the police think
that La Raza is a big gang,

948
00:56:14,457 --> 00:56:16,209
you know, we just come to have fun,

949
00:56:16,251 --> 00:56:19,129
meet new people, everything like that.

950
00:56:19,170 --> 00:56:22,090
We ain't a gang, we just
people like to have fun.

951
00:56:22,132 --> 00:56:25,760
[♪]

952
00:56:35,186 --> 00:56:39,315
Nicholas Rosenberg here, punching back.

953
00:56:39,357 --> 00:56:41,609
I'm a private criminal defense attorney

954
00:56:41,651 --> 00:56:45,071
in the Los Angeles and
Southern California area.

955
00:56:45,113 --> 00:56:49,075
I'm considered to be a
certified specialist in criminal law.

956
00:56:49,117 --> 00:56:53,830
And I tend to do a lot of
cases with gang allegations

957
00:56:53,872 --> 00:56:56,416
and serious and violent felonies.

958
00:56:56,750 --> 00:56:58,543
There's a lot of racial profiling

959
00:56:58,585 --> 00:57:00,545
that happens around the gangs,

960
00:57:00,587 --> 00:57:04,341
and if you see somebody, you know, 5'8

961
00:57:04,382 --> 00:57:07,761
20s, 20 year old, HMA,

962
00:57:07,802 --> 00:57:11,306
bald head, big white t-shirt, baggy pants,

963
00:57:11,348 --> 00:57:13,016
then someone's gonna say, hey,

964
00:57:13,058 --> 00:57:15,268
I think that guy might be a gangster.

965
00:57:15,310 --> 00:57:19,689
So law enforcement can
initiate contact with that person.

966
00:57:19,939 --> 00:57:23,234
Well, you know, everybody profiles.

967
00:57:23,276 --> 00:57:24,903
We see a car.

968
00:57:24,944 --> 00:57:27,864
It's driving erratically.
It's got a busted taillight.

969
00:57:27,906 --> 00:57:30,992
You know, then we pull the
car over, but we didn't profile

970
00:57:31,034 --> 00:57:34,913
whether he was black or white or Hispanic.

971
00:57:35,205 --> 00:57:40,126
We profiled the car and the way it acted.

972
00:57:40,460 --> 00:57:43,380
To just blame police
officers for all our issues?

973
00:57:43,421 --> 00:57:46,341
No. At this point in time, we already know.

974
00:57:46,383 --> 00:57:48,718
You're gonna sell drugs?
You're gonna go to jail, homie.

975
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,054
You're gonna carry a gun?
You're gonna go to jail, homie.

976
00:57:51,096 --> 00:57:52,555
You're gonna shoot and kill somebody?

977
00:57:52,597 --> 00:57:54,349
You're gonna go to jail, homie.

978
00:57:54,391 --> 00:57:56,309
You're gonna try to pull a gun on a cop?

979
00:57:56,351 --> 00:57:58,019
You're gonna get shot.

980
00:57:58,061 --> 00:58:01,981
It's like, these are basic
gang banging 101 rules, homie.

981
00:58:02,023 --> 00:58:03,441
You're gonna do this stupid shit?

982
00:58:03,483 --> 00:58:04,818
Stupid shit's gonna happen to you,

983
00:58:04,859 --> 00:58:07,028
but it seems like society is so woke.

984
00:58:07,487 --> 00:58:08,947
Streets ain't woke.

985
00:58:08,988 --> 00:58:10,573
You're gonna get shot and killed.

986
00:58:10,615 --> 00:58:12,701
When they first started
those gang injunctions.

987
00:58:12,742 --> 00:58:15,578
I said no. That's not good.

988
00:58:15,620 --> 00:58:17,080
That's not a good thing.

989
00:58:17,122 --> 00:58:18,832
Everybody got mad at me and they said,

990
00:58:18,873 --> 00:58:21,626
"Oh, well, these injunctions are working."

991
00:58:22,210 --> 00:58:24,212
I said if you tell a gang member

992
00:58:24,254 --> 00:58:26,423
that he can't associate
with other gang members,

993
00:58:26,506 --> 00:58:28,591
who's he gonna associate with?

994
00:58:28,633 --> 00:58:30,260
Rival gang members?

995
00:58:31,094 --> 00:58:33,722
If he can't hang out with his cousin,

996
00:58:33,763 --> 00:58:35,557
if he can't make a phone call,

997
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,851
if he can't live in his own neighborhood.

998
00:58:38,435 --> 00:58:43,398
A gang injunction is basically
a civil public nuisance order,

999
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,025
and it's designed to prevent them

1000
00:58:45,066 --> 00:58:46,943
from associating together.

1001
00:58:46,985 --> 00:58:50,113
It can prevent them from
wearing clothes, for example,

1002
00:58:50,155 --> 00:58:51,948
Dallas Cowboy jersey.

1003
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:55,702
It can impose a curfew on
quote, known gang members.

1004
00:58:55,744 --> 00:58:58,580
And it really can be
disruptive to the community

1005
00:58:58,663 --> 00:59:01,708
because you might have a
cousin or a family member

1006
00:59:01,750 --> 00:59:03,918
who's also served the gang injunction

1007
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:08,006
and now you can't
associate with that person.

1008
00:59:08,048 --> 00:59:10,383
Once that gang injunction went into place,

1009
00:59:10,425 --> 00:59:14,429
you can kind of tell it
became more like a...

1010
00:59:14,471 --> 00:59:16,181
patrolled state environment.

1011
00:59:16,222 --> 00:59:18,767
I mean, a lot of homies
started dwindling down

1012
00:59:18,808 --> 00:59:20,101
or they were getting incarcerated for

1013
00:59:20,143 --> 00:59:21,436
hanging out with each other.

1014
00:59:21,478 --> 00:59:22,896
And you got, I'm talking about

1015
00:59:22,937 --> 00:59:25,190
cousins and brothers and siblings, family.

1016
00:59:25,231 --> 00:59:27,650
Another thing I didn't
like that we were doing

1017
00:59:27,692 --> 00:59:29,277
was called gang sweeps.

1018
00:59:30,278 --> 00:59:31,863
You know, you go into a neighborhood

1019
00:59:31,905 --> 00:59:34,240
and you find out
everybody that has a warrant

1020
00:59:34,282 --> 00:59:36,826
or a suspect in something,

1021
00:59:36,868 --> 00:59:39,537
and then you arrest 200 gang members

1022
00:59:39,579 --> 00:59:42,040
and you seize 500 guns.

1023
00:59:42,082 --> 00:59:43,958
Those things are not effective.

1024
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,877
That's a Band Aid.

1025
00:59:45,919 --> 00:59:48,755
That's a for show for
the five o'clock news.

1026
00:59:49,089 --> 00:59:51,341
But that doesn't really
affect the gang member.

1027
00:59:51,383 --> 00:59:52,967
What affects the gang members

1028
00:59:53,009 --> 00:59:55,887
is when you catch the guy
who actually did the shooting.

1029
00:59:55,929 --> 00:59:57,472
You bring him before the court

1030
00:59:57,514 --> 00:59:59,849
and he gets sentenced and goes to jail.

1031
00:59:59,891 --> 01:00:01,518
Then the neighborhood knows

1032
01:00:01,601 --> 01:00:03,895
they're not just picking on
us because we're Hispanic.

1033
01:00:03,937 --> 01:00:06,064
I think I went to prison

1034
01:00:06,106 --> 01:00:09,526
at a time when even
a lot of prisoners that,

1035
01:00:09,609 --> 01:00:11,194
you know, that's their
home at the end of the day,

1036
01:00:11,236 --> 01:00:13,363
they've been in there for a
long time, some of the OGs,

1037
01:00:13,405 --> 01:00:16,616
and I think I went to
prison during a time when

1038
01:00:16,658 --> 01:00:18,410
a lot of Chicanos inside prison

1039
01:00:18,451 --> 01:00:20,328
were becoming political conscious,

1040
01:00:20,370 --> 01:00:22,997
or at least it was being
broadcasted to the public that

1041
01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:27,961
we're no longer just going to
sit back and accept the states,

1042
01:00:28,003 --> 01:00:29,754
what the state called rehabilitation.

1043
01:00:29,796 --> 01:00:31,214
Because there is no
rehabilitation in there.

1044
01:00:31,256 --> 01:00:33,299
If anybody's giving us rehabilitation,

1045
01:00:33,341 --> 01:00:34,592
it's going to be ourselves.

1046
01:00:34,634 --> 01:00:36,845
When it came to getting released,

1047
01:00:36,886 --> 01:00:38,680
and I would go to court,
I would tell the judge

1048
01:00:38,763 --> 01:00:41,391
I didn't want to go home.
I wanted to stay in there.

1049
01:00:41,433 --> 01:00:42,892
And, you know, and they
were looking at me like,

1050
01:00:42,934 --> 01:00:44,185
this guy wants to stay here?

1051
01:00:44,227 --> 01:00:45,770
I go, I actually did.

1052
01:00:45,812 --> 01:00:47,772
Because they were like my...

1053
01:00:47,814 --> 01:00:50,025
those were like my brothers
there now. You know what I mean?

1054
01:00:50,066 --> 01:00:52,819
I kinda... I had a bond
with these guys, you know?

1055
01:00:52,861 --> 01:00:55,321
Typically, when somebody's incarcerated

1056
01:00:55,363 --> 01:00:56,990
in a prison environment

1057
01:00:57,032 --> 01:00:59,284
where everyone else is already convicted,

1058
01:00:59,325 --> 01:01:03,204
if they're offered the
opportunity for rehabilitation,

1059
01:01:03,246 --> 01:01:05,290
then their chances, their likelihood

1060
01:01:05,331 --> 01:01:07,125
of reoffending goes down.

1061
01:01:07,167 --> 01:01:09,210
What are they going to do
when they're out of prison?

1062
01:01:09,252 --> 01:01:10,670
How are you going to help them?

1063
01:01:10,712 --> 01:01:12,255
How are you going to
give them the knowledge

1064
01:01:12,297 --> 01:01:14,341
and the skills and whatever
they need to make it?

1065
01:01:14,382 --> 01:01:16,885
I think most of these guys,
and I've talked to a lot of them,

1066
01:01:16,926 --> 01:01:20,388
thousands and thousands
of guys in prison, want help.

1067
01:01:21,473 --> 01:01:23,016
They just can't get it.

1068
01:01:25,226 --> 01:01:28,521
[Vigil] I'm sitting on the beach in.

1069
01:01:28,563 --> 01:01:30,940
Coronado Del Mar Beach, my favorite one,

1070
01:01:30,982 --> 01:01:33,234
in between Laguna and Newport Beach.

1071
01:01:33,693 --> 01:01:37,822
I have my little cooler with my chardonnay.

1072
01:01:38,406 --> 01:01:41,785
I have my New York Review of Books to read.

1073
01:01:41,826 --> 01:01:46,206
And I saw these three or four white dudes

1074
01:01:46,247 --> 01:01:50,085
that looked like teachers or coaches,

1075
01:01:50,126 --> 01:01:53,088
and they come down to the beach from the...

1076
01:01:53,129 --> 01:01:55,090
there's a little hill you
have to walk down.

1077
01:01:55,131 --> 01:01:57,509
They come down to the beach with about

1078
01:01:57,550 --> 01:02:01,554
40 or 50 kids in shorts.

1079
01:02:01,596 --> 01:02:04,766
Most of them were Mexican.

1080
01:02:04,849 --> 01:02:07,560
And I found out... I found out

1081
01:02:07,602 --> 01:02:10,188
they were part of a juvenile group.

1082
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:13,900
These guys were kept in the
house separate from the jail

1083
01:02:13,942 --> 01:02:16,361
and were training them and teaching them

1084
01:02:16,403 --> 01:02:18,238
and I started crying.

1085
01:02:18,279 --> 01:02:20,990
I started crying because I said

1086
01:02:21,032 --> 01:02:23,993
that's all our kids need,
man. Just get them.

1087
01:02:24,035 --> 01:02:25,995
If they want to act bad, come on.

1088
01:02:26,037 --> 01:02:27,789
We'll get you in an organization.

1089
01:02:27,872 --> 01:02:29,290
We'll supervise you.

1090
01:02:29,332 --> 01:02:32,335
We'll feed you. Act bad that way.

1091
01:02:32,377 --> 01:02:36,464
Learn ways of acting that
you're not going to kill yourself

1092
01:02:36,506 --> 01:02:38,508
with drugs or alcohol

1093
01:02:38,550 --> 01:02:41,428
or kill somebody else,
some innocent person.

1094
01:02:41,469 --> 01:02:44,055
Sometimes I think as Chicanos,

1095
01:02:44,097 --> 01:02:46,433
I think what destroyed a lot of us is,

1096
01:02:46,474 --> 01:02:48,935
sometimes when you have too much pride,

1097
01:02:49,936 --> 01:02:52,731
pride destroys and you
start killing each other.

1098
01:02:52,772 --> 01:02:55,525
You know, too much pride is bad.

1099
01:02:55,567 --> 01:02:58,695
[♪]

1100
01:03:34,064 --> 01:03:36,483
[♪]

1101
01:03:46,076 --> 01:03:49,454
[Rodriguez] Hip hop, by the
way, was always black and brown.

1102
01:03:49,496 --> 01:03:51,915
It was the Puerto Ricans
that helped create hip hop,

1103
01:03:51,956 --> 01:03:53,958
all five aspects of it.

1104
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,044
And then Mexicans right away got into it.

1105
01:03:56,086 --> 01:04:00,882
We started getting wind
of punk rock and hip hop.

1106
01:04:00,924 --> 01:04:05,011
And at that time, the
skateboarding, breakdancing,

1107
01:04:05,053 --> 01:04:06,638
that whole scene was real big.

1108
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,766
I remember in the late '70s and early '80s.

1109
01:04:09,849 --> 01:04:12,727
When Mexicans were
already doing breakdancing

1110
01:04:12,769 --> 01:04:14,396
before anybody saw it.

1111
01:04:14,437 --> 01:04:17,190
Nobody did breakdancing
in LA except Mexicans.

1112
01:04:17,232 --> 01:04:18,775
It wasn't even black people.

1113
01:04:18,858 --> 01:04:21,111
[♪]

1114
01:04:23,863 --> 01:04:27,450
One of my earliest memories as a person,

1115
01:04:27,492 --> 01:04:30,161
not even as a lowrider,

1116
01:04:30,203 --> 01:04:33,623
but one of my earliest
childhood memories was seeing.

1117
01:04:33,665 --> 01:04:36,668
The Gypsy Rose come across the screen

1118
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:40,046
on TV in the opening
Chico and the Man credits.

1119
01:04:41,214 --> 01:04:46,553
♪ Chico, don't be discouraged ♪

1120
01:04:47,220 --> 01:04:49,514
[Oropeza] When it came
on Chico and the Man...

1121
01:04:50,181 --> 01:04:51,975
we're on TV it was like it was

1122
01:04:52,017 --> 01:04:54,853
that car was representing us, all of us.

1123
01:04:54,894 --> 01:04:57,564
When I seen that thing, it
was like, you got goosebumps.

1124
01:04:57,605 --> 01:04:59,691
Like, man, we're on TV, you know?

1125
01:04:59,733 --> 01:05:03,069
And I think that's what makes
that car so famous is because

1126
01:05:03,111 --> 01:05:06,823
it was the first car to break that barrier.

1127
01:05:06,906 --> 01:05:09,951
At that point, I realized that

1128
01:05:09,993 --> 01:05:12,662
lowriding was much bigger

1129
01:05:12,704 --> 01:05:15,749
than what I knew it to be on the street

1130
01:05:15,790 --> 01:05:17,375
or in the park.

1131
01:05:19,169 --> 01:05:23,131
[Sandoval] Lowrider
Magazine was such an important

1132
01:05:23,173 --> 01:05:29,095
sort of, product that really
visualized lowrider culture

1133
01:05:29,137 --> 01:05:30,638
around the world, right?

1134
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,140
And it played a very big role

1135
01:05:32,182 --> 01:05:33,725
in sort of the marketing

1136
01:05:33,767 --> 01:05:36,561
and dissemination of lowrider culture.

1137
01:05:37,103 --> 01:05:40,440
[♪]

1138
01:05:46,696 --> 01:05:48,907
[Valle] You know, they took
something that was there

1139
01:05:48,948 --> 01:05:50,700
and they innovated

1140
01:05:50,742 --> 01:05:53,328
and they looked at it
with a different perspective.

1141
01:05:53,370 --> 01:05:56,790
And so Sonny Madrid had
started Lowrider Magazine.

1142
01:05:56,831 --> 01:05:58,708
He's originally from San Jo.

1143
01:05:58,750 --> 01:06:00,377
But I think it's also
important to know that

1144
01:06:00,418 --> 01:06:02,212
he was also an activist.

1145
01:06:02,253 --> 01:06:06,132
So he was heavily involved,
with the Chicano movement.

1146
01:06:06,174 --> 01:06:09,928
When it started, you know,
in 1977, it was a magazine

1147
01:06:09,969 --> 01:06:12,013
by Sonny Madrid, right? And Larry Gonzalez.

1148
01:06:12,055 --> 01:06:14,724
It was a magazine for Chicanos by Chicanos.

1149
01:06:14,766 --> 01:06:17,394
And it was for the Chicano community.

1150
01:06:17,435 --> 01:06:19,771
[Valle] And that just
created a big old explosion

1151
01:06:19,813 --> 01:06:21,981
because this is the first
time you could open a book,

1152
01:06:22,023 --> 01:06:24,818
a magazine and you could
see our people as we are

1153
01:06:24,859 --> 01:06:27,112
in our neighborhoods and
communities, you know?

1154
01:06:27,153 --> 01:06:29,656
[♪]

1155
01:06:37,914 --> 01:06:41,042
[Ulloa] The onset of
gangsta rap in the '90s.

1156
01:06:41,084 --> 01:06:46,172
You know, and that's where we
really see like the global exposure

1157
01:06:46,756 --> 01:06:50,385
to lowriding was through the channels

1158
01:06:50,427 --> 01:06:54,639
of the early '90s gangsta rap videos.

1159
01:06:54,681 --> 01:06:56,349
You see it in hip hop, right?

1160
01:06:56,391 --> 01:06:59,310
I see it with lowriding,
Chicano culture, where like,

1161
01:06:59,352 --> 01:07:04,107
because of globalization
and because of the Internet...

1162
01:07:04,149 --> 01:07:06,401
people are learning about our culture...

1163
01:07:07,402 --> 01:07:08,945
through the screen.

1164
01:07:08,987 --> 01:07:12,240
[♪]

1165
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,958
[Rodriguez] I tell you, when
I was in Japan, and you know,

1166
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:26,171
there's a big cholo,
low riding culture there.

1167
01:07:26,212 --> 01:07:27,756
It's a subculture.

1168
01:07:27,797 --> 01:07:29,799
I was very amazed how

1169
01:07:29,841 --> 01:07:32,177
respectful the Japanese were.
'Cause part of me was saying,

1170
01:07:32,218 --> 01:07:33,845
"Ooh, they're appropriating our culture.

1171
01:07:33,887 --> 01:07:36,973
You know, part of me is,
"Okay, they're using us."

1172
01:07:37,015 --> 01:07:38,183
I didn't get that.

1173
01:07:38,224 --> 01:07:40,268
They totally love the culture,

1174
01:07:40,310 --> 01:07:42,062
and they give it props.

1175
01:07:42,103 --> 01:07:43,772
They say this is Chicano.

1176
01:07:43,813 --> 01:07:45,940
A lot of people take the
culture and don't say that.

1177
01:07:45,982 --> 01:07:49,694
And so they said this and
they really emulated it so good.

1178
01:07:49,736 --> 01:07:51,237
They followed it.

1179
01:07:51,279 --> 01:07:54,616
And so I began to respect
them for respecting us.

1180
01:07:54,657 --> 01:07:57,369
[♪]

1181
01:07:59,079 --> 01:08:02,207
Yeah, like, Japan does
everything incredible.

1182
01:08:02,457 --> 01:08:06,086
Like anything like, artistically or...

1183
01:08:06,127 --> 01:08:10,006
or technically, you
know, they're like masters.

1184
01:08:10,048 --> 01:08:14,678
When they jump into a
culture, they go a 100% in.

1185
01:08:14,719 --> 01:08:18,515
[Ulloa] Does one sole group
have ownership over lowriding?

1186
01:08:18,556 --> 01:08:21,393
That in and of itself is debatable, right?

1187
01:08:21,434 --> 01:08:24,896
So you know, it's like when I
talk about lowriding in Japan

1188
01:08:24,938 --> 01:08:27,107
and people that don't know any better go,

1189
01:08:27,148 --> 01:08:29,359
"Lowriding in Japan? That's crazy."

1190
01:08:29,984 --> 01:08:31,695
I'm like, is it?

1191
01:08:32,278 --> 01:08:35,156
What about a little white
kid in suburban America

1192
01:08:35,198 --> 01:08:36,991
who's taking karate lessons,

1193
01:08:37,033 --> 01:08:40,078
who's counting in Japanese?

1194
01:08:40,704 --> 01:08:42,414
Is that crazy?

1195
01:08:43,039 --> 01:08:44,708
[Rodriguez] But one thing I noticed,

1196
01:08:44,749 --> 01:08:46,876
they were all into the culture, beautiful

1197
01:08:46,918 --> 01:08:49,295
tattoos and everything,
but they're not gangster.

1198
01:08:49,337 --> 01:08:51,297
They're not killing each other.

1199
01:08:51,339 --> 01:08:55,552
And I'm saying, they kind
of picked up the beauty of it,

1200
01:08:55,593 --> 01:08:57,387
and not picked up the ugliness.

1201
01:08:57,429 --> 01:09:00,724
So any of you have any
questions about body of warfare?

1202
01:09:00,765 --> 01:09:02,934
About the conference
that's gonna be taking place

1203
01:09:02,976 --> 01:09:05,603
this Saturday at Mission
High School in San Francisco,

1204
01:09:05,645 --> 01:09:09,107
feel free to give us a call at 785-4917.

1205
01:09:09,149 --> 01:09:12,402
[caller] The thing that
worries me, though, is,

1206
01:09:12,444 --> 01:09:14,738
the body of warfare.

1207
01:09:14,779 --> 01:09:18,533
You know, like I'm a gringo,
and it kinda worries me,

1208
01:09:18,575 --> 01:09:20,910
'cause I'm in the south end of Hayward.

1209
01:09:20,952 --> 01:09:22,245
Mm-hmm.

1210
01:09:22,287 --> 01:09:24,205
And I know you're hap,

1211
01:09:24,247 --> 01:09:26,791
but what about all the other
dudes that's riding around,

1212
01:09:26,833 --> 01:09:28,918
you know, looking for some happenings?

1213
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,212
You know, some action?

1214
01:09:31,254 --> 01:09:33,715
Okay, before anybody keeps calling,

1215
01:09:33,757 --> 01:09:35,800
I want to make some points clear.

1216
01:09:35,842 --> 01:09:38,053
There's a lot of youths,
there's a lot of razas

1217
01:09:38,094 --> 01:09:39,554
that are being murdered.

1218
01:09:39,596 --> 01:09:41,598
We gotta stop. We gotta stop

1219
01:09:41,639 --> 01:09:43,391
and realize that those persons,

1220
01:09:43,433 --> 01:09:46,061
regardless of their color,
regardless of their race,

1221
01:09:46,102 --> 01:09:47,854
are human beings.

1222
01:09:51,566 --> 01:09:54,527
[Moreno] There still are a
lot of us who live that lifestyle,

1223
01:09:54,569 --> 01:09:57,155
and I've seen my share
of war, and I'm over it.

1224
01:09:57,197 --> 01:09:58,823
I've been over it, homes.

1225
01:09:58,865 --> 01:10:01,159
Aggression and anger
and violence on any level.

1226
01:10:01,201 --> 01:10:05,205
Hey, homes, I am a
retired tough guy, for reals.

1227
01:10:05,246 --> 01:10:06,873
You know what I mean? I did all that.

1228
01:10:07,499 --> 01:10:10,543
But, to me, the strongest
gesture I can make

1229
01:10:10,585 --> 01:10:12,295
in this point in my life

1230
01:10:12,337 --> 01:10:15,548
is to totally move in a different direction

1231
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:18,051
because it solves nothing
it never did and never will.

1232
01:10:19,928 --> 01:10:23,056
Unless you want to change,
you're never going to change.

1233
01:10:23,098 --> 01:10:24,808
It all comes from you, man.

1234
01:10:24,849 --> 01:10:26,601
You gotta want to change, you know?

1235
01:10:26,643 --> 01:10:28,812
Once you change yourself,

1236
01:10:28,853 --> 01:10:30,605
things will change with you, man.

1237
01:10:32,607 --> 01:10:35,026
Hey, homie, I was
wrong. I'm still in my hood,

1238
01:10:35,068 --> 01:10:37,112
but now when I see the
homies, instead of, you know,

1239
01:10:37,153 --> 01:10:39,114
trying to give them a
strap, I try to give them

1240
01:10:39,155 --> 01:10:41,408
a, you know, some advice,
work, get a hobbie, do this.

1241
01:10:41,449 --> 01:10:43,576
This is gangster, homie. People
get upset at me sometimes.

1242
01:10:43,618 --> 01:10:45,412
That's just being a man.
That's maybe to you.

1243
01:10:45,453 --> 01:10:46,913
But I'm trying to change the narrative.

1244
01:10:46,955 --> 01:10:48,790
Being gangster now is going to work,

1245
01:10:48,832 --> 01:10:50,583
taking care of your family,
putting food on the plate, man,

1246
01:10:50,625 --> 01:10:52,585
put a roof on top of the kid's head.

1247
01:10:52,627 --> 01:10:54,963
We have a beautiful culture,

1248
01:10:55,005 --> 01:10:58,550
Spanish, Indian, you know,

1249
01:10:58,591 --> 01:11:00,343
it's a beautiful culture.

1250
01:11:00,552 --> 01:11:05,849
Um, but they didn't
want us to be gangsters.

1251
01:11:06,349 --> 01:11:09,060
That's not what they wanted, right?

1252
01:11:09,936 --> 01:11:11,855
They built Los Angeles.

1253
01:11:12,689 --> 01:11:15,608
Anybody can go down to the placita

1254
01:11:15,650 --> 01:11:17,777
and look under that big tree at the plaque

1255
01:11:17,819 --> 01:11:21,281
of the founding families
that founded Los Angeles.

1256
01:11:21,322 --> 01:11:23,867
There they are. Their names are there.

1257
01:11:23,908 --> 01:11:26,244
That's the kind of people we want to be.

1258
01:11:27,370 --> 01:11:29,164
Making life better.

1259
01:11:29,205 --> 01:11:30,874
And they were Mestizos.

1260
01:11:30,915 --> 01:11:34,127
You know, they were
Spaniards, they were Indians,

1261
01:11:34,169 --> 01:11:36,546
Mulatos, whatever they were.

1262
01:11:36,588 --> 01:11:38,506
But they all worked together.

1263
01:11:38,548 --> 01:11:43,011
And we founded Los Angeles
and it became a great city.

1264
01:11:43,053 --> 01:11:45,138
We need that. We need that again.

1265
01:11:51,686 --> 01:11:55,231
[♪]

1266
01:15:11,886 --> 01:15:13,304
You know, Howard Zinn said,

1267
01:15:13,346 --> 01:15:16,016
"You can't be neutral on a moving train."

1268
01:15:16,057 --> 01:15:18,643
And I think that that's
also true for low riding.

1269
01:15:18,685 --> 01:15:21,813
It's one of those things that

1270
01:15:21,855 --> 01:15:25,191
elicits a reaction one way or the other.

1271
01:15:25,233 --> 01:15:30,488
It's tough to kind of just
be like, yeah, you know,

1272
01:15:30,530 --> 01:15:33,992
use it for commercials, use it to look cute

1273
01:15:34,034 --> 01:15:36,995
because you know, it means
a lot more to certain people.

1274
01:15:37,537 --> 01:15:39,748
And, you know, but then me,

1275
01:15:39,789 --> 01:15:41,750
I just feel like, you know what, though?

1276
01:15:42,417 --> 01:15:45,503
At the end of the day, are we there still?

1277
01:15:45,545 --> 01:15:47,839
Let's, you know, let's make the best of it.

1278
01:15:47,881 --> 01:15:49,799
Well, you know, culture changes.

1279
01:15:49,841 --> 01:15:51,885
Culture changes, you know?

1280
01:15:52,427 --> 01:15:55,180
And that's...

1281
01:15:55,221 --> 01:15:57,140
I wouldn't say it's not
necessarily good or bad,

1282
01:15:57,182 --> 01:16:00,769
but we just have to understand
why and how it's changing.

1283
01:16:01,102 --> 01:16:04,522
I think that I've substituted
that hatred and the diversity

1284
01:16:04,564 --> 01:16:08,860
and the segregation for
a true love for our people.

1285
01:16:08,902 --> 01:16:11,654
And I just see it for what
it is, the cultural and how...

1286
01:16:11,696 --> 01:16:15,617
how strong and how amazing,
you know, our thing really is.

1287
01:16:15,700 --> 01:16:18,661
And so to see it tainted or harmed

1288
01:16:18,703 --> 01:16:21,664
by anything, you know, to
me, it don't sit right with me.

1289
01:16:21,706 --> 01:16:24,918
This place has given me the opportunity

1290
01:16:24,959 --> 01:16:28,004
to raise my family, to
be a successful person,

1291
01:16:28,046 --> 01:16:30,965
from being a gangbanger,
from doing six years in YA.

1292
01:16:31,007 --> 01:16:34,135
All that stuff and I'm still
here and I'm winning. Why?

1293
01:16:34,177 --> 01:16:37,138
Because America gives me that opportunity.

1294
01:16:37,180 --> 01:16:38,973
America's not gonna just hand it to you.

1295
01:16:39,015 --> 01:16:40,642
You gotta work for it.

1296
01:16:41,309 --> 01:16:44,938
We all swim in this economic political,

1297
01:16:44,979 --> 01:16:47,816
cultural matrix that is America.

1298
01:16:47,857 --> 01:16:49,943
You can't separate yourself from that.

1299
01:16:50,443 --> 01:16:52,779
And I think over time it became clear that

1300
01:16:52,821 --> 01:16:56,950
those dreams of kind of
creating our own autonomy,

1301
01:16:56,991 --> 01:16:59,202
is just not doable.

1302
01:16:59,244 --> 01:17:01,996
And so what you're left with
is then are the aesthetics.

1303
01:17:02,414 --> 01:17:03,873
Cause that is doable.

1304
01:17:04,457 --> 01:17:06,126
That you can do.

1305
01:17:07,502 --> 01:17:13,466
All that being said,
those were all good times.

1306
01:17:14,009 --> 01:17:15,677
Even the negative times, you know?

1307
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:19,389
Like, they're... they made
cool stories now, you know?

1308
01:17:20,390 --> 01:17:23,351
As much as I don't think
Pachucos were a good thing,

1309
01:17:23,393 --> 01:17:25,687
you gotta admit, it was cool.

1310
01:17:26,438 --> 01:17:29,941
[♪]